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Breaking the Success Trap: Why Your Greatest Strengths Become Your Biggest Weaknesses

2026-03-21 · 19m · English

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Executive coach Sarah Chen breaks down Marshall Goldsmith's classic on why successful leaders plateau and the specific behavioral changes needed to reach the next level. We explore the twenty habits that derail high performers and the practical steps to overcome them.

Topic: What Got You Here Won't Get You There (2013) by Marshall Goldsmith

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David

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David

I'm David, and today we're diving into a book that challenges one of our most basic assumptions about success. Sarah Chen is an executive coach who's worked with Fortune 500 leaders for over fifteen years. Sarah, welcome to the show.

Sarah

Thanks for having me, David. This is one of those books that fundamentally changed how I work with clients.

David

The book is Marshall Goldsmith's 'What Got You Here Won't Get You There.' Right off the bat, that title is almost confrontational. What's the core problem Goldsmith is trying to solve?

Sarah

He's addressing this paradox that happens to successful people all the time. The very behaviors that made you successful at one level become the exact things holding you back at the next level.

David

Give me a concrete example of what that looks like.

Sarah

Think about a brilliant individual contributor who gets promoted to manager. Their success came from being the smartest person in the room, always having the right answer. But as a manager, that same behavior shuts down their team's input and stifles innovation.

David

So it's not about learning new skills. It's about unlearning old behaviors.

Sarah

Exactly. Goldsmith makes this crucial distinction between getting better and stopping behaviors that make us worse. Most leadership development focuses on adding skills, but he's talking about subtraction.

David

What makes Goldsmith credible on this topic? Why should we listen to him specifically?

Sarah

He's coached over 150 major CEOs and worked with companies like Boeing, Ford, and Goldman Sachs. But more importantly, he's seen the same patterns repeat across different industries and cultures.

David

The book focuses specifically on successful people. Why don't these insights apply to everyone?

Sarah

That's a key point Goldsmith makes early on. If you're struggling with basic competence or facing major skill gaps, you need different advice. This book assumes you're already good at what you do.

David

So we're talking about people who've proven themselves but hit a ceiling.

Sarah

Right. And the higher you go in an organization, the more your success depends on interpersonal skills rather than technical expertise. The behavioral flaws that you could overcome through sheer talent at lower levels become fatal at the top.

David

What's the intellectual foundation behind this idea? Where does this thinking come from?

Sarah

Goldsmith draws on decades of organizational psychology research, but he's really building on the work of people like Peter Drucker. Drucker talked about how management is fundamentally about working through others.

David

And Goldsmith is saying that successful people often never learned how to truly work through others.

Sarah

They learned how to work around others, or despite others, or by being so valuable that others work around their difficult behaviors. But that's not the same thing.

David

Let's get into the meat of the book. Goldsmith identifies twenty specific habits that derail successful people. What's the most common one you see?

Sarah

Winning too much. It's the need to win at all costs and in all situations, even when it doesn't matter. I see this constantly with my clients.

David

What does that look like in practice?

Sarah

Picture a senior executive in a team meeting. Someone suggests going to restaurant A for the team dinner. The executive knows restaurant B is better, so they argue for restaurant B and win. But what did they actually win?

David

They won the argument but potentially damaged relationships over something trivial.

Sarah

Exactly. They've now made it less likely that person will speak up with ideas in the future. The executive won a battle about dinner and lost ground on building a culture of open communication.

David

Why is this so hard for successful people to see?

Sarah

Because winning has been their formula for success their entire lives. They've been rewarded for being right, for having the best answer, for never backing down. The behavior that got them promoted is now undermining their effectiveness.

David

What's another one of these twenty habits that really stands out?

Sarah

Adding too much value. This is when a leader can't resist improving on someone else's idea, even when their improvement is marginal.

David

Walk me through an example.

Sarah

Your team member comes to you excited about a project approach that you think is pretty good. Instead of just saying 'great idea, go for it,' you say 'great idea, and here's how to make it even better.' You've just taken ownership of their idea.

David

Even though your suggestion might genuinely improve the project.

Sarah

Right. You might improve the idea by five percent, but you've reduced their commitment and ownership by fifty percent. The math doesn't work.

David

That's fascinating because it feels like good leadership to help improve ideas.

Sarah

This is what makes Goldsmith's work so valuable. He's identifying behaviors that feel virtuous but are actually destructive. The road to leadership hell is paved with good intentions.

David

Let's talk about another habit that probably resonates with a lot of listeners.

Sarah

Making destructive comments. These are the sarcastic, cutting remarks that successful people make because they think they're being witty or insightful.

David

Give me a scenario.

Sarah

In a strategy meeting, someone presents an idea that's been tried before. Instead of addressing it constructively, the leader says something like, 'Oh great, let's reinvent the wheel again.' Everyone laughs, but that person probably won't speak up again anytime soon.

David

The leader thinks they're being clever, but they're actually shutting down innovation.

Sarah

And here's the key insight from Goldsmith: they're doing this because they can. They have enough political capital and success that they think they can afford to be cutting. But that capital isn't infinite.

David

What about the habit of not listening?

Sarah

This goes deeper than just hearing words. Goldsmith talks about not listening as the most passive-aggressive form of disrespect. You're physically present but mentally somewhere else.

David

How does this show up with successful people specifically?

Sarah

They're often multitasking during conversations, checking their phone, or clearly waiting for the other person to stop talking so they can speak. They think their time is more valuable than showing respect through attention.

David

And what message does that send?

Sarah

That you don't matter enough for my full attention. It's relationship poison, and successful people often don't realize how much damage they're doing because people are afraid to call them out on it.

David

Let's talk about one that might hit close to home for a lot of high achievers: the excessive need to be 'me.'

Sarah

This is when people use authenticity as an excuse for behavior that doesn't serve them or others. They say things like 'this is just who I am' or 'I'm just being honest' to justify being difficult.

David

So authenticity becomes a shield for bad behavior.

Sarah

Exactly. Goldsmith argues that sometimes being yourself is not the best strategy. If being yourself means being impatient, critical, or dismissive, maybe you need to be less yourself and more what the situation requires.

David

That seems to run counter to a lot of modern thinking about authentic leadership.

Sarah

It does, and that's what makes his perspective valuable. He's saying that adaptation isn't selling out, it's leadership. The best leaders adjust their style to what their people need, not what feels most natural to them.

David

How do these habits interact with each other? Do they compound?

Sarah

Absolutely. Someone who wins too much is probably also adding too much value and making destructive comments. These behaviors create a pattern where people start avoiding bringing ideas or problems to you.

David

So you end up isolated at the top, wondering why innovation has slowed down.

Sarah

Right. And because you're successful, you might attribute problems to external factors rather than looking at your own behavior. The success creates a blind spot.

David

Now let's get practical. How does someone actually change these deeply ingrained behaviors? What's Goldsmith's process?

Sarah

He lays out a clear four-step process. First, you get feedback to identify which specific behaviors are holding you back. This usually means 360-degree feedback from colleagues, direct reports, and your boss.

David

Why is external feedback so crucial here?

Sarah

Because successful people are often the last to know about their behavioral problems. People are afraid to give them honest feedback, and they've developed sophisticated ways of not seeing their impact on others.

David

What's step two?

Sarah

Apologizing. Not a general apology, but specific acknowledgment of how your behavior has affected others. Goldsmith says this is where most people get stuck because apologizing feels like admitting failure.

David

Walk me through what a good apology looks like in this context.

Sarah

Let's say you've identified that you interrupt people too much. You go to your team member and say, 'I've gotten feedback that I interrupt people, and I realize I've done that to you. I'm working on changing this behavior, and I apologize for not showing you the respect you deserve.'

David

That's pretty specific and vulnerable.

Sarah

It has to be. Vague apologies don't work because they don't show that you really understand the impact. And Goldsmith is clear: you're not apologizing for who you are, you're apologizing for how you've behaved.

David

What's step three?

Sarah

Advertising. This means telling people what you're working on changing and asking for their help. It's counterintuitive because it requires admitting weakness publicly.

David

Why does this step matter?

Sarah

First, it creates accountability. When people know what you're working on, they'll notice when you slip up. Second, it gives them permission to give you feedback in the moment, which is when it's most useful.

David

Can you give me an example of how this might work?

Sarah

Using the interrupting example, you might start your next team meeting by saying, 'I'm working on not interrupting people. If you notice me doing it, please call me out. I want to hear everyone's complete thoughts.'

David

That must feel incredibly uncomfortable for someone who's used to being seen as having it all together.

Sarah

Absolutely. But Goldsmith argues that this discomfort is necessary. You're trading short-term ego protection for long-term relationship building and effectiveness.

David

And the final step?

Sarah

Following up. This means regularly checking in with people about your progress and asking for specific feedback on how you're doing with the behavior you're trying to change.

David

How often should someone be doing these follow-ups?

Sarah

Goldsmith suggests monthly conversations with key stakeholders. You ask questions like, 'How am I doing with not interrupting?' or 'Have you noticed improvement in how I listen?' And you have to be prepared to hear that you're not improving fast enough.

David

This seems like a long-term process, not a quick fix.

Sarah

That's exactly right. Goldsmith is clear that behavioral change takes months, not weeks. And it requires consistent attention because these are deeply ingrained patterns that got reinforced over years of success.

David

What's the most common mistake people make when trying to implement this process?

Sarah

They try to change too many behaviors at once. Goldsmith recommends picking one or two habits max and focusing intensively on those. Trying to fix everything at once leads to changing nothing.

David

Why is that?

Sarah

Behavioral change requires enormous mental energy and attention. If you're trying to monitor yourself for five different behaviors, you'll inevitably slip back into old patterns when you get busy or stressed.

David

How should someone choose which behavior to focus on first?

Sarah

Look at your feedback and identify the behavior that's causing the most relationship damage or limiting your effectiveness most severely. Also consider which one you're most motivated to change, you need internal drive for this to work.

David

Let's talk about resistance. What happens when someone tries this approach but people don't believe they're really changing?

Sarah

This is huge. Goldsmith talks about how people have long memories for your bad behavior and short memories for your good behavior. You might improve significantly but still not get credit because people are skeptical.

David

How do you overcome that skepticism?

Sarah

Consistency over time and acknowledging the skepticism directly. You might say, 'I know I've said I'd change before, and I understand if you're skeptical. I'm asking you to watch my behavior over the next few months and judge me by what I do, not what I say.'

David

What about situations where the organizational culture actually rewards these bad behaviors?

Sarah

That's a real challenge. If your company culture celebrates people who win every argument or always have the smartest comment, individual change becomes much harder. Sometimes you have to decide what's more important: fitting the culture or being effective long-term.

David

Are there specific situations where Goldsmith's advice might not apply or might backfire?

Sarah

If you're in a truly toxic environment where vulnerability is weaponized against you, then advertising your weaknesses could be dangerous. Also, if you're dealing with people who have no interest in your success, this process won't work.

David

What about cultural differences? Does this approach work across different cultures?

Sarah

The specific behaviors might vary by culture, but the underlying principle holds. The way you apologize or ask for feedback might need to be adapted, but the core idea of successful people having behavioral blind spots is universal.

David

If someone could only implement one piece of advice from this book, what should it be?

Sarah

Stop trying to win conversations that don't matter. Before you argue your point or correct someone, ask yourself: 'Is this worth it?' Most of the time, the answer is no.

David

That sounds simple, but I imagine it's incredibly hard to do in practice.

Sarah

It is, because it requires you to override years of conditioning. But it's also the fastest way to improve your relationships and increase your influence. People will start seeing you as more collaborative and less threatening.

David

Now let's step back and evaluate the book critically. What does Goldsmith do brilliantly?

Sarah

He makes the invisible visible. These behavioral patterns are so common among successful people, but nobody talks about them directly. He names them clearly and shows how they undermine effectiveness.

David

What about his writing style and approach?

Sarah

The book is extremely practical. Every concept comes with specific examples and clear action steps. There's no academic jargon or theoretical fluff. It reads like advice from someone who's actually been in the room with these leaders.

David

Where does the book fall short or overpromise?

Sarah

It can make behavioral change sound easier than it actually is. The four-step process is clear, but Goldsmith doesn't fully capture how emotionally difficult this work can be, especially for people whose identity is tied up in being right all the time.

David

What else does he underemphasize?

Sarah

The book doesn't spend much time on what to do when you're working for someone who has these behavioral issues. It's very focused on changing yourself, not dealing with difficult leaders above you.

David

How does this book compare to other leadership development approaches?

Sarah

Most leadership books focus on what to add, new skills, new frameworks, new behaviors. Goldsmith is almost unique in focusing on what to stop doing. It's subtraction-based rather than addition-based development.

David

Is that approach more effective?

Sarah

For successful people, yes. They usually don't need more skills. They need fewer bad habits. But for someone early in their career or struggling with basic competencies, they probably need other resources too.

David

What important topics does the book not address that readers should look for elsewhere?

Sarah

It doesn't deal much with systemic issues, organizational design, incentive systems, or how to change culture at scale. It's very individually focused. Also, it doesn't address deeper psychological issues that might drive these behaviors.

David

So if someone has deeper issues with control or insecurity, they might need additional support.

Sarah

Exactly. The book assumes that once people see their behavioral patterns clearly, they'll be motivated and able to change them. But sometimes there are underlying issues that need to be addressed first.

David

How has this book influenced leadership development since it was published?

Sarah

It's become a standard reference in executive coaching. The idea that successful people need different kinds of development than struggling people is now widely accepted, but that wasn't obvious before Goldsmith articulated it.

David

What about its influence on corporate culture?

Sarah

I see more companies incorporating 360-degree feedback and focusing on behavioral change for their high potentials. The language around 'what got you here won't get you there' has become part of how we talk about leadership development.

David

Has the book received significant criticism over the years?

Sarah

Some critics argue that it's too focused on fixing what's wrong rather than building on strengths. Others say it reinforces a conformist approach to leadership where everyone has to act the same way to succeed.

David

How do you respond to those criticisms?

Sarah

I think there's some validity there. The book could do more to acknowledge that some of these behaviors might be appropriate in certain situations. But the core insight about behavioral blind spots among successful people remains powerful.

David

As we wrap up, what's the single most important insight someone should take from this conversation?

Sarah

Your success can become your prison if you don't consciously evolve your behavior as your role changes. The behaviors that made you successful as an individual contributor will sabotage you as a leader.

David

And the most practical thing they can do starting tomorrow?

Sarah

Pay attention to your need to win. Before you correct someone, argue a point, or add your input to someone else's idea, pause and ask: 'What am I actually trying to accomplish here?' Most of the time, you'll realize it's not worth it.

David

Sarah, this has been incredibly insightful. Thanks for breaking down such an important book.

Sarah

Thanks for having me, David. If this conversation helps even one person recognize their behavioral blind spots, it's been worth it.

David

The key insight is this: the higher you climb, the more your success depends on what you stop doing, not what you start doing. Marshall Goldsmith's book gives you the roadmap for that crucial transition.

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